On One Hand

November 8, 2008

Answers to Proposition 8

Filed under: Uncategorized — ononehand @ 1:31 am

In Colorado, an anti-abortion ballot initiative sought to ban abortion by bypassing Roe v. Wade and privacy rights altogether; the state Constitutional amendment would declare that a fertilized egg is a human being and a citizen. It can sneak around established law about privacy by taking an entirely different approach to the issue.

What if a new ballot initiative in California cound mandate that one’s status as citizen in the state is not tagged as “male” or “female.” Such a provision couldn’t end up harming affirmative action programs because those are already illegal in California due to a previous state constitutional amendment. Meanwhile, being legally a citizen without maintaining your gender identity at the legal level means that the state could no longer require marriage to be between a “man” and a “woman” because it woudln’t be able to recognize citizens as male or female; they would only be two individuals.



  1. Why not try to get that as a ballot initiative in Colorado too?

    Comment by fb_shs — November 8, 2008 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

    • Colorado is not as liberal as California and it would fail here.

      Comment by ononehand — November 8, 2008 @ 7:02 pm | Reply

      • But I wouldn’t push it as a marriage change to the constitution I would push it as a women’s right in contracts… Furthermore, we could always try getting Melissa Etheridge’s idea on the ballot.

        Comment by fb_shs — November 8, 2008 @ 7:06 pm

      • What was her idea?

        Comment by ononehand — November 8, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

      • That if homosexuals aren’t allowed to enter the same contractual agreements as heterosexuals they should only pay a percentage of the taxes since they we’re not full people


        Comment by fb_shs — November 8, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

  2. The End of Reaganism?

    After 28 years of that silly, old man, I hope we have seen the last of driving the country in the right ditch. Proposition 8 was a linger of such policies, and there are ways around it. Legally, the California Supreme Court could declare that such an amendment to the constitution needs 2/3rds vote in the legislature to take effect. Meanwhile, the old fools will die off, and the youger ones take their places. Gay marriage then continues to grow in acceptance. Someday, we will pass over that hump.

    Comment by poimen — November 9, 2008 @ 2:30 pm | Reply

  3. Zygotes are fully human?

    Then all miscarriages are murder. We should stay with the original intent of Roe vs Wade: viable foeti are defined as born. “All persons born (not conceived) in the United States are citizens of the United States.” Therefore, it is murder to kill viable foeti, with the only and reasonable expection should the life of the mother be at stake. That should be the end of the controversy, but there continues to be busybodies who like to bully others. It was the major reason I left Catholicism (and probably yours too, Matt).

    Comment by poimen — November 9, 2008 @ 2:36 pm | Reply

    • Re: Zygotes are fully human?

      If a zygote were fully human, a miscarriage would be the moral equivalent of sudden infant death syndrome, not murder. Of course Amendment 48 was ridiculous and I’m glad it failed, but I don’t see why so many people see the need to carry it to these weird extremes in order to make it seem absurd/evil. It’s enough to say it would ban abortion to get more than 50 percent of all Americans to vote no on it, and that’s essentially what it would do.

      Comment by ononehand — November 10, 2008 @ 4:11 am | Reply

      • Re: Zygotes are fully human?

        Okay, Matt, but I would call it “sudden zygote or fetal death syndrome”. By definition, an infant is a young child, and a child is a human being born to age 18. Note also we count our age from birth, not conception, and Christmas is the birth of Christ, not his conception!

        Comment by poimen — November 11, 2008 @ 10:49 pm

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